FILE- In this June 30, 2019, file photo, U.S. President Donald Trump, left, meets with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un at the North Korean side of the border at the village of Panmunjom in Demilitarized Zone. North Korea's chief negotiator says discussions with the U.S. on Pyongyang's nuclear program have broken down, but Washington says the two sides had "good discussions" that it intends to build on in two weeks. The North Korean negotiator, Kim Miyong Gil, said Saturday, Oct. 5, talks in Stockholm broke down "entirely because the U.S. has not discarded its old stance and attitude." (AP Photo/Susan Walsh, File) Photo: AP
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North Korea decries breakdown of talks; U.S. says they were 'good'

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By JARI TANNER and MATTHEW LEE

North Korea's chief negotiator said that nuclear talks with the U.S. had broken down, but Washington maintained the two sides had "good discussions" in Sweden that it intends to build on in two weeks.

The North Korean negotiator, Kim Myong Gil, said the talks in Stockholm on Saturday had "not fulfilled our expectations and broke down. I am very displeased about it."

Speaking outside the North Korean Embassy, he said that negotiations broke down "entirely because the U.S. has not discarded its old stance and attitude" and came to a negotiating table with an "empty hand."

Saturday's talks were the first between the U.S. and North Korea since the February breakdown of the second summit between President Donald Trump and Kim Jong Un in Vietnam. The two leaders held a brief, impromptu meeting at the Korean border in late June and agreed to restart diplomacy.

North Korea has since resumed missile and other weapons tests, including the first test of an underwater-launched missile in three years that fell inside Japan's exclusive economic zone Wednesday.

State Department spokeswoman Morgan Ortagus said Kim's comments did "not reflect the content or the spirit" of the "good discussions" that took place over 8 ½ hours, adding that the U.S. accepted an invitation from Sweden to return to Stockholm in two weeks to continue discussions. Kim, the North Korean negotiator, said North Korea proposed a suspension of talks until December.

The Vietnam summit fell apart because Trump rejected Kim Jong Un's calls for extensive sanctions relief in return for dismantling his main nuclear complex, a partial disarmament step. North Korea has since demanded the United States come up with mutually acceptable proposals to salvage the nuclear diplomacy by the end of this year.

During the Stockholm meeting, Kim Myong Gil said North Korea made it clear that the two countries can discuss next denuclearization steps by North Korea if the United States "sincerely responds" to the previous North Korean measures including the suspension of nuclear and long-range missile tests and closing its underground nuclear testing site. He called the North Korean stance "practical and reasonable."

Kim repeated North Korea's previous statement that the complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula will only be possible when "all hurdles endangering our safety and obstructing our development are removed clearly and undoubtedly." He said whether North Korea will lift its self-imposed moratorium on nuclear and long-range missile tests is completely up to the United States.

North Korea has said it was compelled to develop nuclear weapons to cope with a U.S. military threat. Before entering nuclear disarmament negotiations early last year, North Korea had argued it won't abandon its nuclear program unless the United States withdraw its 28,500 troops from South Korea, end its military drills with South Korea and take other steps that guarantee North Korea's security.

In a statement, Ortagus said the U.S. delegation "previewed a number of new initiatives that would allow us to make progress in each of the four pillars" of a joint statement issued after Trump and Kim's first summit in Singapore.

"The United States and the DPRK will not overcome a legacy of 70 years of war and hostility on the Korean Peninsula through the course of a single Saturday," Ortagus said. The DPRK stands for the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, the North's official name.

Talks were held at the Villa Elfvik Strand conference facility in Lidingo, an island in the Stockholm archipelago located northeast of the capital, Swedish news agency TT said. It added that Kim Myong Gil arrived on Thursday while U.S. Special Representative for North Korea Stephen Biegun came on Friday.

Because the U.S. does not have official diplomatic relations with North Korea, Sweden has often acted as a bridge between Washington and Pyongyang.

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The North Korean position is hardly logical. Either it moves towards genuine nuclear disarmament or else international sanctions continue and the economy is crippled. What is to be gained by the DPRK having a nuclear strike force?

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The North Korean position is hardly logical. Either it moves towards genuine nuclear disarmament or else international sanctions continue and the economy is crippled. What is to be gained by the DPRK having a nuclear strike force?

Look at what happened to Ghaddafi.

The Kims have all the motivation in the world to be nuclear.

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Look at what happened to Ghaddafi.

The Kims have all the motivation in the world to be nuclear.

Especially with Bad Faith Donny at the helm of the US.

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Especially with Bad Faith Donny at the helm of the US.

Well yeah, the other side is look at what happened with Iran. NK could make a deal, live up to it, and still have it canceled on them when the next president comes around.

The world can no longer place any faith in agreements made with the US. The Iran debacle has proven that.

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NK could make a deal, live up to it, and still have it canceled on them when the next president comes around.

I would like to say this is unlikely because we probably won't have another president as incompetent as Donny, but I learned my lesson after thinking that about Bush II. Never underestimate the power of ignorant conservatives.

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I would like to say this is unlikely because we probably won't have another president as incompetent as Donny, but I learned my lesson after thinking that about Bush II. Never underestimate the power of ignorant conservatives.

Bush II must loooove Donny. I don't mean his policies or anything, but rather that he bumped him (Bush) from the position of worst president ever.

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Kim said negotiations broke down "entirely because the U.S. has not discarded its old stance and attitude."

Meaning that the US is unwilling to admit NK into the nuclear powers club. The US and the world, dont want that to happen.

Yet Kim is unwilling to give up the program, so no progress!

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Look at what happened to Ghaddafi.

The Kims have all the motivation in the world to be nuclear.

Kim was not a strongman at the time of his father's death, and still depends on the structures around him. The power to be is the North Korean communist party. The North Korean communist party would never face a Ghaddafi-type end, it's too big and powerful and China would not allow that.

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Kim was not a strongman at the time of his father's death, and still depends on the structures around him.

Nope. He's shown his people that he's go the respect of the president of the USA - something his father and grandfather were never able to achieve. That shored up his power in NK.

Kim will never give up his nukes.

But hey, maybe we should still give Trump the nobel for solving the NK problem by legitimizing Un in the eyes of his people.

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Bush II must loooove Donny. I don't mean his policies or anything, but rather that he bumped him (Bush) from the position of worst president ever.

I imagine it's a bit of a love/hate thing for Shrub (Bush II) because he has a semblance of decency.

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I imagine it's a bit of a love/hate thing for Shrub (Bush II) because he has a semblance of decency.

Yeah, I think there is a good chance he also hates Trump as well for what he has done to the country.

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This is game over. Kim worked Trump like a butcher breaks down a side of beef. I am sure he can't believe that Trump keeps coming back for more giving him more opportunities to present himself on the world stage. Trump is the worst negotiator in world history.

Gosh, I'm almost starting to believe that North Korea isn't serious about disarming...     Fingers crossed, though!

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So how's Trump's Nobel application going? Anyone got any updates? They must be about ready to give it to him by now right?

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So how's Trump's Nobel application going? Anyone got any updates? They must be about ready to give it to him by now right?

It's being held up because Donny's meant to read it before it's submitted . . .

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The successes have been Trump getting even more free marketing for his brand name, making his syndicate better able to reach a broader global market, and Kim showing his population he's more powerful than the US president. Few others in the US, Korea and around the world have gained. The US taxpayers have funded Trump's infomercials for his brand.

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Remember that time the Trumpets went on about how the other presidents were ineffective because they just didn't do [x].

Remember that time Trump did [x] and left the US in a weaker position than before he started?

This is the problem with the "we need someone who is willing to do what it takes" attitude. It's the emotional reaction to a difficult situation. Unfortunately, when it comes to international diplomacy, where you don't have the backing of a legal framework and a police force to enforce it, emotional responses are ALWAYS doomed to fail. Always. There is a reason the people who know what they're doing haven't just done [x].

This is a teachable moment. We've put up with three years of the children telling us Trump is something special with North Korea. Today was report card day. Trump received an F for NK class. He did get an A for effort though. It wasn't that he didn't try, just that he was incompetent.

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The Trumpets seem to be particularly silent. It may take them a few hours to figure out what the talking points should be before they can respond.

I suspect it will be something about sanctions. But then we'll have to remind them about how they called former presidents "losers" and "ineffective" with their sanctions.

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But hey, maybe we should still give Trump the nobel for solving the NK problem by legitimizing Un in the eyes of his people.

I would add not only to his people but the entire world, now lapdog is begging for an audience with the fat murderer.

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North Korea said Thursday that it had successfully test-fired a new submarine-launched ballistic missile off its east coast, the Korean Central News Agency reported

(news source)

Hey Trump people!! What happened?

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In the past NK has been able to come away from talks with concessions of one sort (aid etc.) or another. I think that's probably their expectation. Kim will be displeased. Wouldn't want to be one of his negotiators.

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North Korea is not Pyongyang is not Kim Miyong Gil.

The U.S. is not Washington is not Morgan Ortagus.

Whatever the above negotiators said is what they said, not what an entire city or country said.

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This is not the USS MIssouri in Tokyo Bay in 1945. It's not a surrender. It's a negotiation. That seems to be a mistake the US is continuing to make post-Bolton.

The North Korean position is hardly logical. Either it moves towards genuine nuclear disarmament or else international sanctions continue and the economy is crippled.

To rephrase this from the point of view of the other side:

The US position is hardly logical. Either it moves towards the genuine lifting of sanctions or else the nuclear program continues and the world is made a more dangerous place.

There is justifiable mistrust on both sides. The rest of us have to hope they can overcome that.

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North Korea is not Pyongyang is not Kim Miyong Gil.

North Korea is very much Kim Jong un.

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North Korea is very much Kim Jong un.

Kim Miyong Gil is not Kim Jong Un either. Thank you for proving my point that accurate terms are important to keep people from getting confused.

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if USA and DPRK can't even agree about the outcome of their talk - that ain't progress

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The Trumpets seem to be particularly silent.

Hey Trump people!! What happened?

Have to laugh at the anti-Trumpers claiming the negotiations are a failiure based on one North Korean official's statement.

North Korea has been a difficult problem since the end of the Korean War. It's going to take time to resolve it without going to war. Oh, it could be resolved in a few days if it came to war, but Trump would rather not see millions of North Koreans and possibly millions of South Koreans killed.

One thing can be certain. North Korea will not get the capability to hit the United States with intercontinental nuclear tipped missiles while Trump is president.

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Oh, it could be resolved in a few days if it came to war

You mean like the previous American led incursion into war in Korea? Or like Afghanistan? Vietnam? Iraq? Or is that a reference to what was said prior to WWI? Or was that just the first thing to popped into your head and you did not bother to filter it?

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North Korea has been a difficult problem since the end of the Korean War. 

Since the Korean War started! If there hadn't been a war there wouldn't be any "difficult problem!"

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Kim said negotiations broke down "entirely because the U.S. has not discarded its old stance and attitude."

The US now has an attitude, but not a stance. If only there had been a parade...

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One thing can be certain. North Korea will not get the capability to hit the United States with intercontinental nuclear tipped missiles while Trump is president.

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2019/07/11/asia-pacific/u-s-forces-korea-acknowledges-north-korean-icbm-can-hit-anywhere-united-states/#.XZk6fUYzbIU

Newsflash - Donnie's already lost that one.....

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Sometimes too much talk is not good for any country. It never has been as history has shown. Bloody yes but that's a way of life. The US failed and continues to fail at this while other older countries don't.

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The US failed and continues to fail at this while other older countries don't.

Right, and Japan is considered the 4th "oldest" country in the world and they "fail" at negotiating ALL the time!

Age has nothing to do with ability!

http://www.alltherooms.com/blog/oldest-countries-in-the-world/

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SerranoToday  09:30 am JST

One thing can be certain. North Korea will not get the capability to hit the United States with intercontinental nuclear tipped missiles while Trump is president.

Trump would give Kim the US nuclear launch codes in exchange for some dirt on the Bidens and permission to build a Trump tower in Pyongyang.

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Why do people bother to type in comments without any historical understanding?

The DPRK was bought by China from the USSR at the price of 750,000 war dead PLA by 1953 creating an essential puppet state for Mao who even lost one of his sons in this acquisition!

Therefore today the DPRK leadership says a single word that displeases Beijing and the lights go out in Pyongyang. The next day will be a regime change to install a new puppet 100% under control.

If you want to predict what the DPRK will do look at the China politics and voila the DPRK falls into easy to see pattern.

IF the US could lure the DPRK away from the puppeteers in Beijing it would be a diplomatic achievement of gargantuan proportions. President Trump likely not succeed at this but has nothing to lose trying.

As for now, China is trying its hardest to use the DPRK diplomacy as well to embarrass the administration. Expecting much deterioration for the election year.

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NYT says: "The first negotiations in eight months between the Trump administration and North Korea aimed at breaking the logjam over dismantling the North’s nuclear program broke down only hours after they began in Stockholm on Saturday, the North Koreans said. It was the latest indication that President Trump’s signature diplomatic initiative has stalled.

“The negotiation did not live up to our expectations and broke down,” the chief North Korean negotiator, Kim Myong-gil, said, according to Yonhap, the South Korean news agency. Mr. Kim added that the United States had arrived “empty-handed” and had “not discarded its old stance and attitude.”

The State Department, in a carefully worded statement, did not say the long-awaited session failed, and warned that the “early comments” from the North “do not reflect the content or the spirit of today’s 8 1/2 hour discussion...”

Despite the rosy statement from the American side, it remained clear that discussions — which Mr. Trump had said were imminent after he briefly met Mr. Kim in the Demilitarized Zone in late June — got nowhere.

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They need to keep talking and keeping the sanctions pressure on.

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Maybe it’s only a minor communication issue, NK says talks were a failure whereas Donny’s minions say they were successful.

A bit like how everyone says Donny is corrupt, while Donny and minions say he is the innocent as a baby!!!!

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or else international sanctions continue and the economy is crippled. What is to be gained by the DPRK having a nuclear strike force?

had economic sanctions for over 20yrs, yet NK has nukes has short to medium range missiles and sub launched missiles all developed during those years of economic sanctions, seems like those sanctions dont work.

Having nukes means other countries can bully you or threaten a military attack especially if they know their is a potential for a nuke strike on on of your cities. Seems like that NK is going to eventually going to get the concessions they want or theyll just keep developing their missiles sanctions or not.

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IF the US could lure the DPRK away from the puppeteers in Beijing it would be a diplomatic achievement of gargantuan proportions.

why would NK or China want that , NK gets almost all its imports from China and NK acts as a bufferzone between 10,000s of US troops stationed in SK. It highly unlikely NK will disappear anytime soon, a ground invasion of NK by SK and America would likely involve China like in the Korean war, that didnt work out well for the UN/US last time around. Biggest factor today is NK didnt have nukes during the Korean war.

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North Korea, or at least the current dictator, has no intention of nuclear disarmament, but appearing on the world stage with the American President lends Kim credibility as a legitimate ruler, even if he is nothing of the sort. Trump wants the visual of appearing to be a great leader and a great negotiator, even if the opposite is obviously the case.

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. President Trump likely not succeed at this but has nothing to lose trying.

There is plenty to be lost "trying"! Trump is setting back relations with far too many allies around the globe and if he gives an inch on the nuclear issue with NK, it will further ruin any good will the US has with those allies.

One example is Japan. Japan sits right in the path of any missiles being launch, and is very nervous about all these recent tests of mid-range and under water launched missiles. Yet Trump plays it down like it's no big deal.

That is asinine at best! Japan is one of the US's staunchest allies, yet even your best friend will get pissed off at you if you dont back them up when they are facing a bully!

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As Scott Adams correctly predicted, there will have to be several "break downs" before the negotiations get anywhere. This is not an issue that can be resolved in one meeting, as the fake media with anti Trump tunnel visions claims.

Our anti-Trump echo chamber screamers should be glad it is Trump dealing with this, and not a corrupt warmonger like Clinton.

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As Scott Adams correctly predicted

Scott Adams is a pawn of the fake, MSM corporatist, globalist media and he has made a living publishing in these outlets.

Why people trust these people is beyond me.

I can’t recommend anything better to read but I just thought I’d mention it.

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Oh, it could be resolved in a few days if it came to war

You mean like the previous American led incursion into war in Korea? Or like Afghanistan? Vietnam? Iraq?

No. North Korea is not Afghanistan, Vietnam or Iraq. Once the regime is taken out ( a few days at most if it comes to war ) the south Koreans take over.

Trump would give Kim the US nuclear launch codes in exchange for some dirt on the Bidens and permission to build a Trump tower in Pyongyang.

He would not. Don't be ridiculous.

They need to keep talking and keeping the sanctions pressure on.

Exactly. And that's exactly what's happening.

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Trump would give Kim the US nuclear launch codes in exchange for some dirt on the Bidens and permission to build a Trump tower in Pyongyang.

That made as much sense as the Koreas coming back together. Let them talk, that’s what Democrats want....or do they want war. Either they let Trump follow the path of diplomacy takes time or would they prefer the threats and saber rattling, so which is it? Damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t?

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Even some of the Trump supporters back in 2016 called him stupid and not capable of being a president? Guess they were correct?

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Even some of the Trump supporters back in 2016 called him stupid and not capable of being a president? Guess they were correct?

Naw, we were dead wrong.

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Naw, we were dead wrong.

You never answered why you labeled Trump the leader of a “lunatic fringe”.

I know you changed your mind, but what did you originally see which made you think that?

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You never answered why you labeled Trump the leader of a “lunatic fringe”. 

I already did numerous times.

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HK, unless you want US invasion and domination, do not give up your nuclear program, keep it going and continue to develop ICBM.

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No. North Korea is not Afghanistan, Vietnam or Iraq.

Yeah. Like Coke isn't Pepsi, RC or Dr. Pepper. I see you just decided to ignore the past experience in North Korea (Coke) to try and pretend its now green tea. You clearly have no clue what is happening in North Korea and/or perhaps not a care in the world for the horror that war unleashes. Or maybe you are just trolling and in fact, love war and know full well its going to take a lot longer than days.

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HK, unless you want US invasion and domination, do not give up your nuclear program, keep it going and continue to develop ICBM.

Yeah, so screw Japan, South Korea and destabilization of the Peninsula. I’ll tell you this, if Trump can’t get it done, the next President won’t be so kind to Kim and invasion just might happen. But if you think defiance helps him, it undercuts and will ultimately doom his already poor, malnourished and impoverished nation, so be it. Either now or later, Kim is spitting on borrowed time, he just doesn’t know it.

And I think you meant NK.

We have our eyes on HK? What on earth are you talking about?

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Is this news ???.

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Serrano: "Trump would rather not see millions of North Koreans and possibly millions of South Koreans killed."

Nor, possibly millions of Americans killed. In what part of the globe do you live?

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Nor, possibly millions of Americans killed. In what part of the globe do you live?

That probably wouldn’t happen since we have technology and firepower that works, modern and up to date. If they even attacked one of our bases that part of Korea would cease to exist.

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"we have technology and firepower that works"

Yes, the world watched how your technology worked in the attack on the oil refinery in Saudi Arabia.

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Yes, the world watched how your technology worked in the attack on the oil refinery in Saudi Arabia.

They also watched that technology in getting Saddam and OBL.

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They also watched that technology in getting Saddam and OBL.

Bin Laden was located and killed by a mission sanctioned by Commander-in-Chief President Obama.

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